they have been wormed reg they are eating and drinking normal they have had runny and bloody stool for 4 weeks and we have tried everything they have been to vets been blood tested nothing showed up we have lost 2 of them they have had antibiotics still no improvemnt the 3 i have left are quite active obviously get tired quickly due to they have no body and weight to them we have seen 3 vets and they are all baffled anyone that has any suggestions on how i can stop the runny stools id be grateful for any advice i get now. we have tried prokolin that has nt worked ither . this is so sad to watch as they seem to be fiesty at times then real tired as they dont have much energy i have nt seen anything like this in my 20 yrs of breeding
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What antibiotics did you use? I would assume you need a different one. It sounds like scours.
Also, try putting them on a different mom or handfeeding. If your Mom has sepsis from retained uterine tissue of some sort, it keeps spreading to the puppies and is not controllable.
You have had them tested a few times for Giardia and Coccidia?? Not so easy to see in just one sample.
Well I have a few questions for you. Are they still nursing? Has mom been checked for anything relating to this? What are you feeding mom? If the pups are on mush what is it?
Oh yes have they been checked for the things DP asked too??
Sounds like coccidiosis or giardia to me. Maybe they all have some kind of internal defect. Hard to believe the vets can not figure this out.
I think a food change is in order and keeping them away from the mothers milk incase that is the cause. Maybe she has mastitis or infection causing the pups to be ill. Find a new vet. It's ridiculous they can't figure it out. I am not even sure I believe this.
Should you be breeding pups, when the RSPCA slaughters 100's of dogs a month and your dogs may be the next ones
This definately sounds like giardia, coccidia or both. Treat the pups for both with Albon and Flagyl. I would also put the pups on some Accidophylus as well. Get the normal bacteria back in their system.
If the pups are still nursing, this ***** needs to be checked out as well. She could have a wacko infection, contact a repro vet for treatment for her antibiotics wise. If you lose another puppy, get that pup a complete necropsy right away! Purdue will do complete ones for $50. It is well worth it to have it done. I have driven things up there as well as overnighted things to them.
I have no idea what it might be, but if 3 vets were baffled, I'd start looking for a veterinary teaching clinic at a university. They know all the newest stuff, and have all the latest equipment. With a much larger budget than most practicing vets, they have everything to perform every test imaginable!
My daughter-in-law's dog had a rare skin condition that no vet could diagnose until she took him to Perdue. The university solved the mystery, and the dog is as good as new, although the medicine was very expensive!
Could it possibly be an allergy to their food? Maybe switching to a different food would help, at this point I don't see what harm it could do. You need to get some fiber or some sort of binding agent in them to help with the diarrhea. Your vet could probably recommend something to help with that.
I would not recommend any further breeding until you get this solved. It could be contagious to other pups or something. My personal opinion is to not breed this mother dog again, could be something genetic. Just get her fixed, and that might prevent any future episodes like this. Good luck!
IMHO Goldengirl is on the right track. If they are still nursing it is quite likely that their mother has developed a uterine infection.
Toni F, should you be giving your opinion when it's obviously not wanted?
I am getting sick and tired of these spay/neuter police and the elitist breeders on this site. It's their way or no way! It's really sickening to read.
There are other ways to prove out a dog other than showing people. There are many, many bloodlines that have never been shown, but are just as valuable as your beauty pageant dogs. These dogs have proven themselves time and time again to do what they were bred for, be it pulling, herding guarding, search and rescue and whatever else these dogs are bred for.
Show dogs are not the end all be all of the breeding world, no matter what you may think.
To the question asker... have you checked for coccidia or giardia? I do agree that maybe it's time to get them away from mom.
You could try witholding the food you are giving them at the moment and feed them probiotic yoghurt for a day. This might help to settle the gut. With an older dog I would say starve it for 24 hours but this is not recommended for puppies. I am sure you know about making sure you get plenty of water into them and not to let them get dehydrated. I have used a syringe to feed water to puppies in the past.
If they are still taking milk from the Dam she may well be passing on any infection she may have herself. It might be wise to have her checked by the Vet if you haven't already done so.
I do hope they all recover quickly. I can imagine how distressing this is for you. Good luck.
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This may sound daft but when any of my lot ( pups too ) got the runs I gave them a tablespoon of Tesco's natural yogurt. It always worked for me.
How sad for you to have to watch these tiny souls suffer like that. You are obviously a good breeder but sometimes, things happen and we cant always solve them. My yorkie had a condition very similar to yours and it was found that he had a virus that mimicked Parvo Virus ( a killer in dogs! ) He was bombarded with antibiotics, some so strong they could have killed him on their own! Eventually his body absorbed the anti's and he got well but it was touch and go for a long while. To stop their runs, boil up some hard boiled eggs, the harder the better, and feed them little bits throughout the day. Hard boiled eggs bind dogs up and stop the runs. Make up some cornflour as you would custard but use semi-skimmed milk. Have you heard of Build-Up? Its a drink made for humans that are not eating well and are under the weather, its packed full of protein and vitamins. Get the vanilla flavour and make it up into pints with semi-skimmed milk. Do not give them chicken and rice, they are way too young! The Build-Up and eggs will help them greatly, i give it to my dogs when they're under the weather. Good luck and i hope your little ones make it.
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